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The Sacredness of Birth: Nelson & Alison (Sacred Birth Symposium)

January 31, 2023 George Papp
Renegade Lifestyle
The Sacredness of Birth: Nelson & Alison (Sacred Birth Symposium)
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Nelson and Alison are two motivated parents who founded the Sacred Birth Symposium, a 2 day conference designed to inform and educate parents about holistic natural birth and connect them with a community of birth professionals. The medical system has led people to believe that birth is so dangerous that people become dependent on the hospital and medical staff to save them and their children. Inspired by the home birth of their daughter, they seek to remind humanity of the sacredness of birth and the human body's inherent ability to birth healthy children safely without the need for medical interventions or the medical system. Together, they will provide parents with solutions to seek independence from the medical system while protecting their children from unnecessary interventions and trauma. They believe that by doing this, we will heal the people and heal the world.

In this podcast:
How the Sacred Birth Symposium will provide solutions to parents who want to give birth naturally at home
The benefits of birthing a child at home in a calm and safe environment vs in the hospital
How interventions can interrupt and affect the natural process of birth
Alison and Nelson's birth story
Birth can be challenging and stressful for a woman but presents an opportunity for transformation and growth
Why home birth and free birth is not popular options for many women?
The vision and goal of the Sacred Birth Symposium platform

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George Papp  0:00  
Hi, welcome to the Renegade Lifestyle Podcast with me George Papp seeking to empower you with practical strategies and information to exit the matrix by speaking to experts and individuals making a difference. Check out the renegade lifestyle membership, get access to early research newsletter, live webinars, which is packed with insider and detailed content from the team and special guests as well. We also help you build your own freedom businesses and location independent incomes, improve health spiritual journey path might help with that as much as much much more as well. Our aim is to ultimately help you move away from a system that doesn't serve you rise above the matrix and be ungovernable. Today we are joined by Nelson and Allison from Sacred birth symposium, whose mission is to remind humanity of the sacredness of motherhood and the women's ability to give birth naturally without medical intervention. Thanks for joining. How are you guys today?

Sacred Birth Symposium  1:23  
Hey, George. Hi, George. Yeah, thanks for having us on. We've been following the podcast and I've personally gotten so much value from us speaking to David Morgan, Clive de Carl and all of these amazing people. So we're just glad to be on the podcast to spread the word about what we're trying to do. And you know, we think it's, it's so important. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me

George Papp  1:46  
Thanks for coming on. It's the first time I've had someone in this field. Really, it's a, it's a field that people overlook a lot. Within like exiting the matrix, or even being free, is something that kind of gets overlooked. A lot of people focus on the health aspect, but kind of maybe miss the sort of birthing and raising, raising children during this time. So you know, it's going to be an interesting conversation to get your thoughts on what you're doing, and how you're sort of helping the community as well. So first of all, what is sacred birth symposium.

Sacred Birth Symposium  2:25  
Sacred birth symposium is going to be a two day conference. And it's going to be here in Austin, Texas, where we're located, we're having 11 speakers, and they're going to be birth professionals, as well as parents themselves. And they're going to be speaking on topics, all pertaining to the childbearing years. So everything from holistic and natural fertility and conception to, you know, choices to make during the pregnancy, as well as home birth is going to be huge focus. And then of course, we're not going to neglect the postpartum period as well. So it's going to be really amazing. Our goal is to empower attendees with all of the tools and most importantly, the education and knowledge to make, you know, the right choice for them. And to have a beautiful home birth if they so choose.

Yeah, the goal of this symposium really isn't to, you know, fight the system, or whatever it is, it's really to empower people to take responsibility for birth. And you're absolutely right, when you say that birth is overlooked, in a sense, right. And a lot of times, I mean, this is a conversation that, you know, should include men, but men seem to sort of keep themselves out of it. Right, because we think that birth is something that the woman should do, and she should take care of, you know, I hear things like, oh, you know, you you do that, and I'll fix the AC and fix the plumbing and do all this stuff. Right. But it's a it's a team effort, you know, as and George, you very well know, because you're going through this right now. It should not exclude men, because men as men are an important part of this, this. This experience and our responsibility is to help our women give birth in a physical in a safe and secure environment, and also empower her to birth on her own terms. And that's really what this symposium is about. So we're not here to fight the system. We're here to defend find solutions, and empower people to take back responsibility because that's what we've done, especially in the US, we've given away our responsibility to the system. And now 95% of people give birth in, in a hospital, whereas 100 years ago, it was actually flipped completely. It was actually 95% At home. So in just 100 years, they've progressed that far, through propaganda through through control of the medical system. So, you know, it's really time for us as parents to take a stand.

George Papp  5:17  
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's incredible to see the change that's happened from from, I mean, it was only like, probably our grandparents generation that would all have their children from home, give birth at home. And it was kind of the norm. And now there's Pete, most people, I mean, I've heard people booking in C sections, because they want a specific date for the baby to be born on which like is, is crazy, but a lot of people wouldn't maybe not, won't understand the actual implications of that. So what were your what? What are your sort of main reasons to going down, you know, the natural birth route at home? And obviously, your story, which we need to hear? Because it's inspiring? And I think, what are the benefits of having the child at home versus the hospital birth slash? Medical independent intervention? Basically?

Sacred Birth Symposium  6:19  
That's a great question. And yeah, to touch on, like what you started to say, in the beginning to about, you know, it's overlooked, but it's actually such an important topic, because we truly believe that birth has been for many people, the root of a lot of their trauma. And, unfortunately, because it happened when they were tiny, little infants just entering this world, they're not even consciously aware of it. You know, also the topic of circumcision. In the country of America, it's wildly popular, if you're born in the hospital, you know, and your baby boy, you're going to be circumcised. And that is extremely traumatic to the baby boy to have part of his sexual organ removed, when he's a tiny, little vulnerable human, you know, and also just other things that happen in the hospital. And for the woman, as well, who's giving birth, you know, she's in an uncomfortable sterile environment with like bright lights and a lot of strangers, it's really not conducive to the natural birth process. And it interrupts the natural hormone cascade that occurs during birth. There's a number of interventions that are, you know, very commonly used in the hospital, if you give birth in the hospital, it's probably going to be offered to you, at the very least, if not, you know, you might be coerced into taking an epidural, or having Pitocin offered to you, which is synthetic version of the natural hormone oxytocin to progress, labor along. And as soon as any of these interventions are introduced, you know, it's a slippery slope, and things are not going to go according to your plan and the idea of your birth that you had in your mind. So that can be a very traumatic experience for women and in my personal opinion, contributes to postpartum depression. And then for the baby as well, like, if you have a home birth, it's very likely that your baby is going to be born, you know, in a calm, peaceful way, on its own timeline, potentially into a tub of water and, you know, make a very smooth transition from the womb to the earth, and not have a bunch of vaccines shot up into it. And we believe that that contributes to, you know, have a more peaceful life and less traumatic experience for the baby and then you know, down the road, psychologically, this child is going to have a huge advantage.

And, you know, everything that Alison has said, encompasses all the consequences of having interventions from the medical system, but in a natural birth setting, to contrast that right. Your body is designed to literally do everything by itself, right it to from from starting the contractions and everything, you know, all these contractions and things that people feel are you know, annoying or maybe frustrating or painful. There's a reason for all those things right. The contractions help push the baby out. They squeeze the uterus of the baby gently flows through As you know, it gets, the contractions get longer and longer and more and more stable as you go through the process. And that's for a reason, right, because there's a warmup period. And then as you push the baby through the canal, and you know, everything has recent, even going through the canal, for example, we just heard from a lady yesterday that because her child was a hair was cut open. But I mean, because she was cut open and her child was delivered through C section, she, the child did not go through the birth canal, so the child still had liquid in its lungs. And when the child goes through the birth canal, typically what happens is the liquid gets squeezed out of the lungs, so the baby comes out just fine, right? But when you interrupt all these natural processes, and yes, our bodies are literally designed to give birth, we've been doing this for 1000s of years without the medical system without the hospitals, when you interrupt that process, that's when all these issues start to start to happen. So that's what we're really advocating for right is returning back to natural birth to the way our bodies were meant to give birth in the setting that we're meant to, to be giving birth. And for a woman that can be very different, right? Like some women want to give birth at home with a midwife and feel safe, while some of the women are wild, and they want to go into a log cabin, and somewhere else, you know, out in nature and give birth there by themselves, you know, and we empower these women to do all those things. There's so much more, there's so many more alternatives and options than just being in a hospital bed, right. And even being in the birthing center, too. Sometimes that can also be a slippery slope. Because when you have someone there who's an attendant, you know, they sometimes can also interject or, you know, do things that may not have been necessary and may cause, you know, may or may cause issues in the future. So that's what you know, we're going to be doing the sacred verse symposium is empowering these women and showing them the way giving them the tools and knowledge that the community to be able to do some of these things.

George Papp  12:14  
Sounds good. Sounds Excellent. I've come to the conclusion from going through my process that when you go and visit these doctors or gynaecologists, it seems like they, they don't do it out of Well, I'm sure 99% of them don't even really know what they're doing, in a sense, what what they're affecting. So they're not doing it on purpose, but they obviously go through their procedures and stuff. But what I would say is they focus, like, they will focus on a statistic, which is so minut I mean, we had like, an, when I did blood tests on my wife, they basically said that she had a one in the ATA chants of preeclampsia, because of her blood pressure of some sort. So straightaway, the result for that is, here's some baby aspirin, we're going to prescribe you some aspirin, to fix that. Now, we, we didn't go ahead and take that, because we don't believe in any medical intervention. And her blood pressure's slowly gone down naturally, through the diet and just how it is, and, you know, just prefer the proof of these interventions that just, they just aren't needed. But they just straightaway throw it into the equation, any, any cost that you know, they'll just throw it in there with might even the smallest of risk they will put that fear into of the small risks that may occur. And then they obviously play on the fear because it is a child. And, you know, they they will be able to intervene in that sense. So, yeah, it's very interesting. It's an interesting process that I never thought like would be like this from when I was less safe. A few years ago. I never thought about this. So it's interesting that yeah,

Sacred Birth Symposium  14:12  
and George, you probably if you ask some of these people, have they ever seen a natural home birth? They will probably say no. Yeah. And they've never been educated about this in in their in their schools. Yeah, it's been completely left out.

George Papp  14:28  
It's become a medical incident. It's been a medical procedure instead of a natural event, which is what has been made to do the body has been made to do interesting, interesting stuff. So let's move to your story because you You recently had a baby, obviously congratulations. I knew I knew you from previously and when you're going through the pregnancy Nelson so it was it was great to hear everything was great and and you actually went through the home as well. So yeah, I guess describe how it went? Not not like maybe, maybe not, maybe not. Well, your point was there, he was definitely the

Sacred Birth Symposium  15:15  
I was just a cheerleader man. Part of the process, he was my rock. So yeah, I'd be happy to share about it. It was a beautiful experience. And I'm so grateful that, you know, we stuck to the plan of having a home birth. And you know, this might not be recommended. But we honestly didn't have a real backup plan for the hospital because it was never in my mind to even allow that as an option. All that to say there was a moment during my labor where I was looking at Nelson straight in the eyes, and I said, Is this a mistake. And I think that's like a panic moment that a lot of women have. Basically, I went into the experience of labor thinking, you know, I've got this I read orgasmic birth, I read Hypno birthing, I read all the books, I've done the mental work. And you know, I'm good. I don't have any fear about birth. But inevitably, I think a lot of women have. And I definitely had some subconscious fears, still, that I hadn't really addressed. So that did come up during the birth. And the way that manifested for me was just that I was very tense. And so while my body was having contractions, my uterus was contracting and trying to push the baby out, I was holding this physical tension in my body. And that made the contractions pretty excruciating for many hours, and so I spent a lot of time in the bathroom between the bathtub and the toilet, just back and forth. Until our midwife came over, maybe, I guess, like eight hours after my labor started. So things have progressed quite a bit. It felt like at least, but when she came, she palpated my uterus, and she told me that the baby was actually really high up. And so you know, she helped me to identify that that was because I was holding some tension in my body. And I'm really grateful that our midwife was trained in cranial sacral therapy, as well as herbalism, these things really contributed to it being a smoother experience. So the cranial sacral therapy came into play, when she helped me to relieve some of that tension by rocking my hips while I was lying on my side in bed, which arguably, any husband could also do, if they you know, realize that that would be helpful during the experience. And so that was very helpful. And then the turning point, for me, it was really when my water broke, which was about four hours before baby was born. So when my water broke over the toilet, which I was so grateful for, it happened over the toilet, not the better on the floor, the baby dropped down. And you know, I could feel that she dropped down the really, really super painful contractions stopped. I mean, it was still intense, but it was, you know, bearable. So at that point, they started getting the birthing pool ready in our kitchen.

George Papp  18:35  
Yeah, he did have a very close,

Sacred Birth Symposium  18:37  
and it helps so much.

It was so amazing. And just to like, you know, I had envisioned the birth happening there. And just to have it set up where we had envisioned it being and moving into that space from the bathroom in our bedroom, where it had been for, you know, the last like, 10 plus hours. It was really like an accomplishment, I guess, to make it into the birthing pool. And, you know, it helped me to realize like, this is it and it's happening. And I really was also so exhausted at that point that I just dropped into this surrender and more primal stage of the experience where it was, it was instinct driving me and not my thinking mind, which previously had been contributing to, you know, like the really painful contractions and kind of folding myself back. And, you know, we had some things working against us Nelson and I had both had a cold leading up to my labor and Nelson actually still had a fever when we went into labor when I went into labor. So you know, and then it started also at bedtime, so we never actually went to sleep. And that's why I was so exhausted. So by the time we made it into the birthing tub in the kitchen. I was like falling asleep in between contractions

been awake for over 24 hours at that point. Yeah, because what happened was, she had a fever before. And then as she was recovering, I got a fever. So she was taking care of me. And then as I was recovering, that's when her labor started.

George Papp  20:24  
Yeah. But I was very, very positive, that baby waited to come until, you know, I was feeling a little bit better, which, again, the body is so intelligent, and the baby is so intelligent, that they work together. And I believe that that was on purpose, you know. And so at any rate, I think at the point that I got into the tub, it was just me Nelson, and the midwife. And then the rest of the people who were going to be arriving showed up while I was already in the pool, and that was a doula and our birth photographer, and so by the time they showed up, the birthing hormones were definitely like, into play at this point. Because I remember like feeling really excited to see them and like, introducing, you know, like saying hi to them, like all excitedly and I was just very present even in between my naps in between contractions. When I did wake up, you know, I was like, there. And I remember I had this moment where Nelson was behind me and the three women were in front of me and I made eye contact with each one of them, like one at a time, like I was just so like, there and like crying.

Sacred Birth Symposium  21:58  
So I, I was pushing and I felt the baby's head crown. And you know, we didn't know if it was a boy or girl. But the midwife told me, the baby's head is there, you can reach down and touch it if you want. Are you sure I could touch it. Like I wasn't sure if that was going to be okay. But I did feel her head and I felt a lot of hair, which was so cool. There was this moment where her head like went back into the birth canal after I had finished, like pushing with a contraction. And then, you know, it was this moment of like, oh, no, like, I lost that momentum I had gained, but it was actually fine and really easy to push again, and like get your head out. I mean, it wasn't easy. And, you know, definitely came with its sensations and intensity. But it was a wonderful and amazing moment to know like that my baby was coming soon. And that I did that. And then the team helped me like change positions, they realized like that, that would help the baby come out all the way. And so they moved to me from you know, they helped, they assisted me since I was in the pool to move from like more of a squatting position to like leaning forward over the tub. And at that moment, her rest of her body shot out with a contraction and the midwife caught her and they helped like, lift my leg over the umbilical cord and put her in my arms. And we had this really amazing moment where we, you know, realized she was a girl and everyone was so excited. It's just really sweet.

George Papp  23:54  
Was it all that you envisioned, envisioned it to be? Basically from?

Sacred Birth Symposium  24:01  
It absolutely was and I can't wait to do it again. Honestly, it's amazing.

We're gonna say it's not it's, it's not like it's not, you know, this pleasurable, you know, orgasmic thing. And it can be right, it certainly can be. And we're not going to say the birth isn't challenging. It is. Yeah, especially for the woman going through that, you know, it's just think about you're putting you're putting the entire human out of your body. Right. So it's, it's challenging, but, you know, that's where the transformation comes in. And the thing is, your body intelligently deals with all the things that happen. And when, I mean when she came out of the water, peaceful, yeah, she just

She just floated to the top came out, wasn't crying, just peaceful. I mean, you know, and as a man just watching that, you know, this whole thing happened and unfold. It's it's an incredible experience. I mean, you feel so connected to yourself to humanity to being a human. I mean, it's, it's something that I hope that every person can experience for themselves. Because it is an experience of a lifetime. And it changes you. It really does. It changes you. And this is, and this is the the the issue, right, is that they're taking that away from us. They've taken it away, and we don't even know what they've done. Yeah, we don't even we can't even comprehend it until we go back and experience that again. And then we understand. Wow. You know, this is what's happening, this is how they're doing it. And that's why we're so inspired, right? Because we need to sound the alarm. And thing is it's not just birth professionals that need to participate. It's us parents, it's us the normal regular people that people need to take, take it back. And, you know, what's great about this is once you learn how to do this by yourself, and you get support for it in the community, you never have to go to hospital again. Yeah,

George Papp  26:11  
I think it's time to, it's definitely time to move away from the medical system. Because I mean, ultimately, is trying to kill you at this point. So the only option is to move away from it, like there is no other option, or you need to face the reality that you have the destiny in your hands to be healthy and not need that system. And that's where we as people need to really get to that point. But a lot of people, unfortunately have been traumatized to feel that there's external sources, you know, affecting their health not themselves, or something in their mind that they need to work on. But that's a whole nother story within probably more spiritual worms. But yeah, it's definitely relevant. And it all combines into one holistic way of living. But I think that's a great, it's a great story very, like, kind of makes me feel optimistic and makes me feel like, you know, the drive to sort of do it your way, for sure. And I think it's definitely more aligned morally as well, for sure. To not rely on that medical system is definitely something we must try and do. So, I guess having said all of that, you know, having a great natural birth at home, what are the sort of current blocks at the moment for, let's say, regular, you know, people who haven't really thought about this for women to have natural births? What are the blocks that they're potentially experiencing? And why would it not be as popular as it is? Because you like most, most people would go to a hospital? Yeah,

Sacred Birth Symposium  27:50  
great question, George. So based on our experience, and again, we're not, you know, professionals. But as parents, speaking of the parents and doing the groundwork, we find that women, usually there's a block of three things. And the first is that women are just uninformed about birth. They're not even told about what what you know, what it is, how it works, and everything. And then they're uneducated, about birth, as well. And then the third is that they're afraid. And I think the biggest piece is that they are afraid because once women know about natural homebirth, and they understand that they're like, Wow, I really want one I really want this experience, but I'm scared. You know, I'm scared, because the hospital is all I know. And the hospital is all anyone has talked about, and my parents came from were born in the hospital. So I've never taken that step before. And, you know, what I will say to these women is that, you know, you don't have to go all the way right, you don't have to go all the way to a free birth where you're on a you know, unassisted and there's no one there. You can baby step it and the first step really is to get out of the hospital, right? So find a setting where you can birth outside of the hospital and I would say do it at home, I highly recommend that because you don't have to call the ambulance right you don't have to go to the hospital give birth and then be there for for three days. And God knows what they do to your baby sometimes, you know, depends on where it is but sometimes they take your baby away and they vaccinated and they circumcise it without even you knowing you know and as a woman you are in your most vulnerable state and it's terrible you know, some places now they don't separate the dad and the mom but in some places they still do that. And then the mom and and the mom is in birth state the birth consciousness state and she can't you know fully make Decisions are intelligent decisions for

George Papp  30:04  
You're not in that space frame of mind, I guess, at that point. You're just focused on that one thing. Yeah.

Sacred Birth Symposium  30:13  
Right. And then coercion. You know, we talked about coercion, it doesn't look like someone, you know, forcing you to go and do things. It's the coercion n looks like, Hey, do you want Pitocin? And then five minutes later, do you want Pitocin? And then 10 minutes later, do you want it? So they ask you literally 10 times? And then you eventually just say yes, because you're like, Fine, go away, right? Like, you know, I'm in pain. So yes, whatever, right? You're, you're, that's the kind of feel mentality, you you, you you will have so. So for the women, right, you are in a very vulnerable state. One, you want to be around people you trust. So that's, that's number one, right? And then to be in a setting that you want to be in. So the home food for us was the best option, because, you know, we literally had her in our kitchen. And then three hours later, we were cooking dinner, you know, and mom was safe in the bed, and we didn't have to go anywhere it was it was so much easier. You know, and and we didn't realize this, because I mean, this was our first time doing having a home birth and a first child. But when you go through the all these experiences and checks all the boxes, you realize just how ridiculous the whole, the whole propaganda is, you know, and so for for women, the first step really is to inform yourself about it, educate yourself, go search YouTube, right? Look on you look online, look up natural homebirth. Look at how transformative and how amazing it can bet experience can be. No that not everyone is going to have that pleasurable experience. And some of these women having pleasurable bursts, which do happen by the way, some women don't even feel pain, and it's actually pleasurable. And there is a film called orgasmic birth. And I highly recommend people watch it. But some women even have orgasms while they're giving birth. So it really, once you get to a certain point, I mean, your body just takes over. Yeah. And once you surrender, as Allison was saying, you have nothing to fear.

I will add to everything Nelson said, to answer your question about why it's not more popular. And you know why it's not most women's first choice is largely because of society. First of all, we have been taken away as women from the hummingbird setting with midwives into the hospital. And like Nelson said, you know, your parents were born in the hospital, you were born out of hospital, everybody knows we're not a hospital. So it's just your first inclination to go to the hospital, right. And furthermore, the media, in movies and television, the way that they portrayed birth is that it's this crazy medical experience, like always in a hospital, and, like super painful, you know, just really chaotic. And I mean, honestly, not the way birth really should be. Is, that's not how they portray it at all. You know, they make it out to be like, Oh, my God, such a crazy experience. You're gonna want to be in the hospital for this fun.

Sounds interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing, right? Is women have never seen a natural homebirth before, so they don't know what it looks like. And then once a lot of these women actually experienced one. So I encourage you, if you know, someone who's having a home birth, and and they invite you to go, go by home means go, because that's how a lot of women start to think outside the box are like, whoa, you can just squat down and give birth. You know, and then they start to think and gets their wheels turning. And then they want a home birth for themselves. And that's how, you know, we've talked to a few people. And that's how they wanted, they chose to have a home birth as they were they attended a home birth, and they loved it so much that they wouldn't have had a natural one

George Papp  34:23  
seems like women in that position tend to always sort of go for advice to their, to their mom or their own mother, if you know, they're in the picture. And usually, you know, nine times out of 10 that mother's also given birth in a hospital. So it's very difficult to break that cycle. Because it's just a constant cycle. And yeah, I mean, I'm definitely commending you for that bravery. Because he is bravery really because the status quo is to go to hospital. So status quo that is hard to, even in our community of people where you're more freedom minded, it's still something that people still are very fearful of. And I think that's really commendable that you, you know, took that first strike, especially for the first child as well. Because normally like, Okay, first child, let's, you know, go hospital, it seems like the easiest thing to do. But you know, you've done you went full fully in, and I think that's really commendable. Really is. Excellent stuff. Excellent. Let's go into the symposium a bit more. Obviously, the event is happening. Is it in 43? days? Yeah, about that. Okay. So I mean, what we're getting at so yeah, so I mean, what will people gain from attending that event? What does it look like? And, you know, is it going to be a live thing? Is it online as well? If people can't attend in Austin? How will it work? And yeah, what will people gain?

Sacred Birth Symposium  36:04  
So with this symposium, we're focusing on being local right now. And the reason for that is because most women, when they seek help, they will need someone who's local, right? For like, for yourself, you know, you We wish you could find someone who was, you know, on the same page, as that lady you mentioned in the UK, and where, where you are. So we're trying to do that right now. And we're focusing local, we're gathering all the professionals that we know are on the same page. And women who attend these conference, you don't have to just be a mother, you can also be a birth professional attending this conference. So for for a mother attending this conference, you will be informed, educated, and connected with all the people who understand homebirth, who respect medical freedom and true informed consent. And you can basically hire your whole birth team there. And also connect with a community of mothers who can provide support, I think that's really the most important thing. So inform it, get informed, get educated, and then get connected with the community. And then for birth professionals, who are maybe just starting out the career or who really want to connect with others, this is a great place to come and attend, and learn from senior birth professionals, but also connect with mothers who need help. And it's a great way to kind of jumpstart your career. So we, you know, we want to essentially, build a community together and build this platform so that people have a way to find information to get them. One of the biggest issues we've heard recently is that women don't know where to look, right, because once you hear about natural home birth, and you search Google, I mean, you're not going to find anything. So we're going to be providing that platform where women can go and get get educated get the information. So when you attend this conference, it's a two day conference. And it'll basically walk you through the whole through the whole pregnancy. So all the way from conceiving, to the first trimester to the fourth trimester postpartum, so it's comprehensive. And when you walk away, you will walk away with a companion guide that will help you internalize everything you've learned, you will walk away with a network list. So a network of all the practitioners you need and will have, you know, chiropractors, doulas, midwives, birth keepers, photographers, lactation consultants, you know, the whole nine yards. And what's great too is we're also be recording the sessions and then putting it online. So attendees who are able to attend in person, they'll get access to the content for free. However, for people who are not able to attend, once we get the platform online, you can access all the content for a small fee. And that way, you know, we help spread the word, spread the knowledge, and the plan is really to iterate on that in the future. So we want to have a second one and a third one and use this platform to really promote all the birth professionals in the space and and promote that knowledge. So definitely, if you're in Austin, Texas, or in the Texas area, and need help with homebirth you got to attend this conference. It's going to be an amazing conference. The people that we've brought on to speak are so knowledgeable, so professional, and you know, they do a lot of charitable work, too. I mean, like one of our, like, the lactation consultant that speaking, you know, she offers free concert stations for veterans for people who are in the military. So these are the type of people that will be speaking into that. People who care who actually care about people and are in it to help, you know, they're not in it to profit. So if you guys are interested, go to www dot sacred dash And that's our website where you can sign up for a newsletter, or purchase a ticket. And you can also connect with us on Instagram and telegram at Sacred birth symposium. And on Facebook, you can also find the event, it's called the sacred birth symposium, you should be able to just search the event and look it up and you can join. And we're going to be rolling out more updates about the event itself, there'll be they're going to be speakers that we're releasing, they're going to be activities that we're going to be doing. So there's, there's just so much to share. And I want you guys to be a part of it. So you know, hopefully, we'll see you guys soon.

George Papp  41:05  
Yeah, that's excellent. I think the the amount of information out there on Google and on YouTube, doesn't give us it doesn't give us the true, the true information it will give you, it will give you a partial part of what it is. But it will come with a load of fear as well. So basically, I like the fact that you're promoting this information in a real truth for and you know, from experience point of view, as well as getting people in who know what they're doing, and who have obviously been doing this for years. But you know, when I first came into this experience myself, since my wife been pregnant, like I didn't know where to look, to be honest, personally, I didn't know where to go to be like, I had no idea what I was doing. I knew that there was a representatives, of course, but I just didn't know where to look for that information. So I think what you're doing is great. And hopefully make it make it a global thing. So like people in Europe and elsewhere Can, can get that. But they can also join online also. But yeah, there'll be great to have some something local, around here as well.

Sacred Birth Symposium  42:08  
And that's, and I love that you mentioned that George at the end, to inspire other people to do the same thing. So our vision for the future for Sacred Birth Symposium is that we want to basically put together a framework that anyone can, can do. So if you're a parent, and you had a home birth, and you felt so inspired, that you want to go do your own sacred birth symposium in Cyprus, or in the UK, or in, you know, Australia or wherever it is, you are, you know, we want to enable you to do that, because that's, that's how we build a decentralized organization. And if they try and take us down, I mean, they're going to try and take down 2000 plus of us, right, who are all doing our own events, and, and, you know, and, and being empowered through it, gaining financial stability through it. You know, that's what we want to do. We want to help these people do what they love and feel good about doing it and also support themselves. Right. And that's the whole premise of your podcast is finding solutions to be self sufficient, in a time of crisis, right? And make no mistake, we are in a time of crisis right now, you know, and we have been for for many years, it's just we just aren't aware of it, until we really start looking in the start really looking and in the depths of what's going on. And you'll find that were under attack.

George Papp  43:41  
Yeah, I think that's excellent information. I guess. Also, the amazing thing is that when you get the information from people who are in, like from the speakers, for example, when you get in touch with those kinds of people, your fear slowly, slowly will diminish, because you will then have confidence in this way of of birthing. It's just all about your what you feed the mind. Right. You know, if you're in fear, it will, most likely will tend to not go right. So I think that it's great to have that sort of information from people who are in that space. So yeah, excellent stuff. Now, so thank you very much guys, for for, you know, having, having the time he's on my show. It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure to speak to people who have going through this especially now myself going starting to go through this as well. So excellent, excellent stuff. We'll have all the links. We'll have all the links to the sacred birth symposium in the shownotes Also, check out the website renegade And remember to share and subscribe to the podcast and if you know someone that might find value. From this episode, definitely share it To the peace and love to you all. Thank you guys again for coming on.

Sacred Birth Symposium  45:04  
Thank you George. Thank you George. 

George Papp  45:05