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Ecovillage Project in Mexico: Paul The Agorist

June 21, 2022 George Papp Season 1 Episode 3
Renegade Lifestyle
Ecovillage Project in Mexico: Paul The Agorist
Show Notes Transcript

Paul shares his journey to seek like-minded individuals desiring to live harmoniously with nature in an Ecovillage. He is heavily involved in the Freedom Cell movement in Mexico and is actively working to help others break the mould of modern consumerism. In this interview, we discuss the challenges around forming communities, resolving conflicts between community members and finding the right opportunity for someone to participate in evolving an Ecovillage project. Although getting involved legally and financially in an Ecovillage with complete strangers can be a daunting task, Paul's experiences shed light on the possibilities, enabling you to achieve your dream of living a comfortable life in nature surrounded by a supportive community.

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George Papp  0:08  
Hi, welcome to the Conscious Renegade podcast with me, George Patton, helping you to be the change you wish to see in the world.

Today, we are joined by Paul, who is part of many freedom social movements, including ecovillage, share, and Mexico migration. And we will be discussing alternative limited living, eco villages and other relevant topics, determining strategies to free people from the current system and the coming Great Reset. How are you, Paul, thanks for coming on.

Paul  0:56  
Hi, Georgie. Great to be feeling great. Ready to go.

George Papp  1:00  
Thanks for coming on. I know you've been really busy. And you've obviously having a lot of projects on at the moment. But yeah, thanks for coming on again. Yeah, I guess let's start with just sort of give a setting what your story is, and where you started, obviously, all the way till now. But where does it start your story and how you got here?

Paul  1:23  
Yeah, just to say as well, your great question that yeah, thanks for it. Also, it's been wonderful to connect with you. Just hear your passion, your energy, your vision as well. really inspiring. So really good to be on the call with you. My story, okay, I'll do a really brief run, even though I'll go all the way back because it kind of like, sometimes gives people some, some inspiration or more of an idea of where people's stories begin often is a great way to understand other people and what are their motivations? I kinda had to figure it out that 10 years ago, they weren't why why is this whole community thing so important to me, where I can't seem to meet as many people as passionate as I am about this topic and about humans collaborating more closely with one another, to achieve greater success. In other words, creating by unifying, creating more prosperity. So there's, there's a bigger pie, so we all get a bigger slice of the pie kind of thing. And I think my grandmother was able to leave Czechoslovakia at the time when I was one year old, and she that was a communist country, and she wasn't allowed to leave. So my mother didn't see her mother for 11 years. But as soon as she was she was a pensioner essentially stopped being a taxpayer. Suddenly, the communist regime there had a heart and said, Look, I think you haven't seen your daughter for so long. If you'd like you can, you can go to Australia, but but the only thing is, you'll lose your pension and never get it back. And you can never return. And of course, that was an offer she was happy to accept and my family as well. So I was blessed that my grandmother with me from the age of one till 18, and she was there every day, I'd come home from school, she was there. Anyway, she was from a small village called pecan nets. And she was a really strong influence in my life, I won't go into it anymore, I'll start getting emotional, but, but just she had that small village kind of mentality. And she just was always there to help everyone, especially the family. And she really enjoyed giving and caring and sharing. And I find the same thing in Mexico. That's why I felt so at home when I first came here when I was 19. And I'm a bit old, that now. It's been about 26 years or so. But But yeah, it's that's kind of my main motivation for how I get in, got into community, I guess. And then then we've done many experiments in community, different types of urban community community gardens, a community center where we had yoga meditation, ecstatic dance, we had Friday foodie festival whenever we bring food, ideally, we definitely stressed that we only want organic food and no junk food and nothing from the bigness layers. Coca Cola has or, or, you know, main brand name junk foods or processed foods. So it was a real healing space. And that was an urban project. No, and I've visited many eco villages. So I guess, me that when I look back and think about why was I so inspired, it would be my family cultural background from Czechoslovakia, and my mother and my grandmother being from a small village even though my father is from Prague. And he was a lot colder and a lot more like a city kind of vibe, where my, my mother's side were very much from a tiny village of 8000 people. Yeah,

George Papp  4:33  
that's very interesting. It's so true, where it looks like just the the small village lifestyle is still it's not that far away. It's not it's not been that many generations away. But it feels like we've disconnected so much from that. They just seem so different to what our usual lives are in the city or in large towns, for example, obviously in the West. But yeah, it's nice to see that you connected with that, when was that your aha moment then? When it was?

Paul  5:07  
I think in life we have so many aha moments, but definitely kind of just one moment of introspection, I'm like what you know, and I was a bit a bit deep. You know, we all going to have ups and downs in our lives and emotional shifts, and and it was one of those where I was just exhausted from the community work. And I had many of those moments when I was exhausted and tired and drained and feeling like poor me, why do I have to do this? Why do I seem to care so much when it seems so hard to motivate others to, to want to connect more with their community rather than what I call the God alone method, which ultimately, is what we've been trained in competition and consumerism and materialism and, and to build our own career and build our own family. And, and you know, to a degree that can work. But you know, if you really look at if you look into most multimillionaires, especially those who have made or let's say successful people financially, a lot of them have made it at the expense of their own family and expense of their own children, their children hardly know them, or they have a really bad connection with their children or with their partner or they've had losses. And if you want to, if you want to have true success, see, I believe that a person who is successful you a lot of money, but their life is a train wreck. If you want true success, it's only going to come from going back to our roots of true community where people really really live as givers rather than takers. And they want to contribute just like my grandmother always wanting to contribute. And she was an eternal wellspring of energy and generosity. It was never like, poor me, I keep giving and no one's giving me back, she, she just had a great joy of giving. And that's what Mexicans are like to they have a great joy of giving. So yeah, I think we have lost our way. And there's that emptiness in a lot of people's souls. And you see that a lot in Australia, and I'm sure in the UK and Europe, the USA, people feel like their life has no purpose and meaning. And generally that's, that's, that's the mission in life to discover our purpose and meaning and really, we have to just make it up. So I make it up that I love contributing to people around me and seeing more people smile. And generally Mexico people love to see you smile and do things for you. That just put warm your heart so so yeah, I think that's where we've lost. A and, and and that's why I've chosen Mexico, because I think it's just an easier environment. After many attempts in Australia. It's yeah, it was a it was always a goal to come here. But I would have loved to have had a community remain functioning but our community and in Mexico, them collapsed. But they're all great learning lessons.

George Papp  7:34  
Yes, I guess that there, there's always going to be challenges along the way. It's never easy. We're not trained to I guess know this straightaway, because we've been indoctrinated in, in schools. So we never knew. So we had to sort of start again, I guess. But yeah, let's, I mean, why do you think we have to, I guess, move away from how we're living currently. I mean, it's pretty obvious, in my opinion, and probably most of the audience, but just to sort of reiterate why eco villages and how you see community, why we have to move away from what's currently the current societal sort of structure, just so everyone can sort of know that.

Paul  8:15  
Yeah, excellent question. And a good area for all of us to have some introspection as well, about what where their future path forward is. And one way I look at it is as well, it's in times like these, even at the best of times, but in time, is with so much uncertainty and so much certainty that that there's a certain small group of people that want to steer humanity in the direction that they choose. And and not necessarily the best direction for them for the vast majority of humanity. And they don't seem to think we have a choice in the matter. And I think that's that's very unreasonable. It's,

George Papp  8:48  
it's literally criminal.

Paul  8:48  
So. So yeah, it's another aspect too, is you're correct. We've been trained in a certain type of living that is not helping us to collaborate effectively together, even though we can do so in a more academic format or in a dry calculating way we can work together, but ultimately, it's sort of for our personal gain or for my family, rather than thinking about my community. And there's some interesting parallels with good health and having a mindset of caring for your community and your community caring for you, actually has been proven through scientific study decades of scientific study that vastly improves your health and minimizes your risk of serious chronic diseases or especially heart attacks and, and problems of, of the circulatory system. So that's an interesting segue there, maybe for another nother conversation of the day but but also Yeah, it's it really is a time now when when we do need to relearn as you said, We're never taught this in school or university, you know, 12 years at school and then University. Yeah, don't don't really cover this in any way. Because it's not the in the best interest of the people. Those who who want to mold us to become employees in their corporations, right? So, so it is it is becoming particularly important to figure out that this has been our, our primary, it's been our evolutionary path, to live harmoniously in communities and learn to get along with your, your fellow man. And if anyone goes to a small village, or drive anywhere in the world, that's functions on these kinds of principles, they will see that that in effect, and we'll have an amazing learning lesson there, tiny villages all across Mexico, just like in Europe. But here, here, there are so many small village and they have unbelievable amounts of festivals and activities, and everyone gets to participate. And, and although it's changing, it's going to take a lot longer for the consumerism and the competent competitive spirit and nature to fully take over, I believe, and hopefully Mexicans will be able to put up put a stall on it and and how to sort of the modernization, yeah, Facebook and, and modern culture and modern TV series, TV programming are all doing their bit to try and remove this aspect of the community kind of consciousness rather than just a self serving consciousness. So yeah, I think I think ultimately, if we get it right, we will do a lot better in community. And on that point on that, you know, there's, there's, I've seen some articles recently about how people think, you know, it's one or the other, either we become slaves to us, that we don't want to be a part of anymore, and we'd love to be in an alternative. And it's either that or we've got to find an alternative community and almost come GPS, and it's not really like that at all. And that was kind of the experience of just realizing, Oh, my God, we've all got different personalities and characteristics that people come together, it's just too easy to end up in arguments and problems, even if people start out wanting the best for each other, you know, our habits and our, our indoctrination in those forced indoctrination camps called schools, it just kicks in by default, it's it's there in the, in the subconscious, if anything, and, and then we saw, we do need to actually

have options. So I call it a hybrid ecovillage system. And, you know, anyone can call what they want. But basically, it's not just one, one ecovillage. And everyone needs to fit into this model, it'll have something for people who, who, just to give you an example, like a normal permaculture, with animal husbandry, another section, where people actually illegally separate, and they have legal legally separate agreements, but they all all coordinate with each other. So you can have an eco village with permaculture and animal husbandry and other eco villages, for more people who are vegetarians or vegans. And then another section can be for people who want to live individually, yet benefit from some of the benefits of of these communities, but they don't want to jump jump right in and, and mainly share land with others and share tools, you know, share, like, for example, a chainsaw share a communal kitchen, people can have a kitchen in their home as well. But but you know, maybe in the Eco village, you might be agreement between the people that you meet for dinner once a week, to just check in, make sure everyone's feeling well and have that sense of community, if you just come to the community dinner once a month, when you're not really living in a community, you know that that's, you know, people need to define what what their ideals are for how they look after each other, and how many activities they participate in each week, you know, one day a week, working in the garden for three or four hours may be part of the agreement. But some people might want nothing to do with that. So that they can still be welcomed in the community because they have other amazing skills. For example, people who are very much into crypto could have incredible skills have benefited community or blockchain training or programmers or people who, you know, live live in a different way could still be a part of this sort of a hybrid eco village structure that I have have in mind based on my my years of what I call failures that make me an expert at everything that doesn't work.

George Papp  14:01  
Yeah, the thing is, right, everyone wants to live their way. So there's always so many different facets, you can't just be you know, here's how an eco village works. You know, join it, if you get this. There's so many different types of people who want to start living in this way. You've got obviously the vegan the meat eating differences. You've got also people who want an internet, potentially others don't. You've also got permaculture differences over land resolution, which I think that I think the biggest base issue is actually people can't do conflict resolution. And I think this is where I think this is where we fail with our communities, unfortunately, but hopefully, you know, I don't know maybe this type of event that's going on in the world at the moment potentially helps people move more into their heart space and out of the the ego which blows up everything. And that's the reason why we can't even have communities anymore, but I think it's Another interesting points that go back. I know you mentioned that this, you know, the sort of elite want this sort of type of lifestyle with smart city life is ultimately a choice. I think we're so much more powerful than we think we are. And we will, it is a choice for us, in my opinion, they can't really force you to do anything. In my opinion, okay, they can get people with guns around. But I mean, how real is that going to happen? Is that really going to happen? They say, I believe it is a choice. And you can make that choice, it's just a massive leap. To make that difference. We've just been used to feeling like a slave, and like working for the for the man and keep paying taxes and everything. Let's, you know, let's make that leap. And the life will be better over there. Especially now, I mean, I think society is going into ways maybe, you know, two parallel sort of types of societies where there's going to be definitely sort of a smart city environment where people really are connected to the mainframe, which is getting ever smaller and smaller in terms of your rights and freedoms, or you're literally going to have to go back to a ways of living that was happening sort of in our grandparents, and before that there type of life where we have to, you know, decentralized foods, decentralize everything, basically. Get everything into our own hands instead of relying on the corporation's to provide that for us. So now, it's great work that you're doing. I wanted to ask, actually, how are the homes on these? On the land that you're you're the community land? I mean, what are the homes made? From? What kind of materials? Are these sort of Earthships? Are they tiny homes? Are they a mix of all types? Or what? Just give us an indication of of that? Yeah,

Paul  16:51  
if I answer that question, great question as well. And just in response to your comment, well thought, I really do appreciate the fact that you're you've also been in deep in the corporate world. Just looking at your background, the work you've done is really, really inspiring. And it's great that people are like you, who have been deep inside corporate, the corporate world and also working deep in the crypto space, also genuinely very interested and passionate about and sees it as a viable solution. And one one important solution, this concept of community and getting back to the land, literally putting your hands inside the dirt. It was something that never interested in naming it just as I I just kind of evolved by having these people around me. You know, the first time one of our team wanted to do we did a monthly presentation when we first had our first project in Sydney, Australia, then we moved to the Gold Coast. And then we moved to Byron Bay Area. But but you know, one of our team and volunteers and a really good friend was a soil scientist, who also ran right next to a garbage dump, he was able to get land from the council to put a mini community garden. And it was like an educational garden for children coming from schools or school groups would come see the destructive waste and, and all of the throwaway society, when they look to the right. And when they look to the left, they see this regenerative, beautiful example of how how compost now how our waste can become our compost and create these beautiful thriving gardens and give us produce. So it was an amazing contrast. In any case, my point being, he offered to give a talk one month about soil just again to explain why I got into this concept of eco villages and gardening even now I love gardening because it I've seen what it does to families and to children when they come together in a garden with other families and children. It's just actually such a fun experience and someone plays a guitar while you're planting food and you know, the kids are doing everything wrong and planting the seeds the wrong way or what have you putting them too deep or not deep enough. And but it doesn't matter. They're having fun. And you know, that's just part of the part of the activity. And that was just such as such a magical experience though. This friend wanted to give a talk. He said look at this month, we haven't got a speaker, you know, we normally get a technologist to sign scientist or a an inventor with some amazing technology that's been suppressed that they've tried to release to benefit humanity or enter. But anyway, he said he'll talk about soil because he's because he's a soil scientist. And I just like cringed and inside I was like, Oh, that like how are we going to get people to come along and listen for an hour and a half to someone speaking about dirt? You know, and I need to be with my friends. So I sort of like cringed and said, Okay, well, you can talk next month about dirt. And then and then I'm freaking a little bit and I all the effort that it takes to get bums on seats in an auditorium for our monthly innovations, conversations. And anyway, on that particular day, you know, you know 50 people in the room and which was an average sort of turnout some of the we get more sometimes a little less in our little neighborhood in downtown Sydney and and then you know, I was literally brought to tears because he just explained the meaning of dirt and the meaning of soil and how if we don't look after our dirt, we all die. And he explained that so clearly I'm like, wow. And I was in, I was emotional, because it was just this huge new revelation in my life that have how how important our soil, he's, he's holding a handful of soil with worms falling out of his hand, saying, This is the living soil that that gives us life and health, and then an hour and a half of that later, and I'm like, wow, that just blew me away. And, and just showed me a blind spot that I never realized I had in my life, you know, and we were living in our condominiums or white picket fence houses, you know, with hardly a garden, maybe a lawn, if we're lucky, then, you know, maybe a gardener who does the work in the garden, then we're just not connected to the land. So So coming back to your question, you know, it kind of relates as well, because we want to have our homes be very closely integrated with nature with the soil. And really, it's actually that's why so many people love gardening, but why not garden in a way that's intelligent. That's where permaculture comes in. And our homes have gardens all around them, where we have simple easy access to delicious fresh food. And you know, fresh tomatoes or fresh herbs tastes so much better than herbs bought in the store, that literally, you know, wither and die in two or three days in your fridge. But but you know, when you pick it fresh, I mean, I've literally had herbs and and produce from our local. Sometimes we drive for hours to get organic foods, it's not sprayed with chemicals that with our friends who are farmers here in, in the in the mountains in Mexico. And we literally bring back so much food because we want a good organic healthy. Sometimes we don't trust what's developed in the markets in even in Mexico City here. So we so

on that food lasts up to a month in the fridge, because it was picked fresh, we sometimes help the farmer picket, just before we leave to come back to Mexico City, I do a little bit to Mexico City and other locations, by the way, although we live on the outskirts in a pine forest, if just didn't open the window behind me so that so that you didn't have the glaring light, but I actually live in a pine on the edge of a pine forest. So I'm on the outskirts of Mexico City, I get a lot of fresh oxygenated air from the pine trees, but but still, you know, I'd rather live in an eco village. And that's what we're on our way to doing shortly. So if I can mention that your way, you know, the style of homes look, ultimately, in our in our model, you know, people in other places can build with whatever materials they want, there's plenty of opportunities to do that, for anyone who comes to Mexico already lives in Mexico. Because most states, some states have no building codes, which is awesome. And most states do have a building code in Mexico, because you could say in some ways, it's a failed state in Mexico, although we can't rest on our laurels. Yeah, they're right now trying to bring in digital digital ID and mainly digital currencies, here just like they've done in El Salvador very quickly. And you know, and there's there's pros and cons to that, but it seems like it's playing into the agenda of people getting people to normally just live in a cash economy, which keeps them safe from from that content to digital money. So you know, there needs to be a balance and people who understand the technology to apply it because it can be a double edged sword, you know, that one, one edge can benefit you and the other edge can be stabbing you in the back at the same time. So that's another conversation we may like to have on another day. But But in our Eco village, of course, ideally would be we would be requesting and probably have it written into our Constitution that that people build with bamboo, Adobe, or, or other rammed earth, or very common here is the adobe bricks, so making bricks from Adobe, maybe maybe some some buildings with what's called hempcrete, obviously, but also, there's air Crete, which is a form of concrete, but it's very lightweight and use very little concrete. You know, we enjoy the idea of having a mix of different structures earthbags Earthships, especially as well as chips are phenomenal. Your garden is basically attached to your kitchen and it's inside your house, your garden is your food, food is actually inside your house, ideally right next to your kitchen, so you can literally reach over and grab herbs while you're cooking. You know, and I've seen models of those built men, young men and Chad in Acapulco builds those pretty had visited his successful as she built for a for for a children's home here in New Mexico, over there in Acapulco. And, yeah, I mean really, it's just I'd like our our first day eco village here in Mexico to be a model of different building styles. But again, going back to mostly regenerative materials and and innovative forms and structures as well as ancient structures that people have used in Mexico for generations centuries. Just to give you one final comment on that. It's interesting note that in some villages, I've spoken to the elders about these, these things. Yeah, one, one example of a common thread. I've heard from a few elders that I've spoken to grandmothers, grandfathers, they said, Look, my son, you know, built me a new home, he thought it was, you know, he, that I'm paraphrasing, but, you know, he bought me this new house because he wanted to give me a full new home. And it's made of concrete, it's really cold, especially in winter, it gets really cold and gets really hot in summer. And you know, I've always felt more comfortable, like, I just felt more comfortable and at home in my Adobe mud house, rather than this new, modernized modern construction made from concrete, you know, just to give you an idea of some of the benefits of living in inside more earth based materials.

George Papp  25:45  
Yeah, yeah. Excellent. I mean, you know, that's very interesting, because I'm, I'm currently on a Greek Greek island. And I know the benefits now, since moving here of Adobe style, mud and straw housing. And I'm actually in one right now an old, an older home, which has been sort of renovated, but you can you can tell now it's getting up to, you know, 3035 degrees centigrade already. And inside the home, it's still, you know, cool. You don't need to run air conditioning all the time, pretty much probably never really, because they were built like that. Nowadays, the concrete homes, just completely like just not, they're just built for real, just quick, easy way of building a home, just for mass, right. But now, I think we should go back to the old school, because I think that's the most sustainable way. And they were built like that for a reason, especially in the sort of climates. So it's really interesting that you were you mentioned that this even sort of in Mexico. The party used to build homes like this. Excellent. I mean, Thanks, Paul. Well, I guess, to move on, What projects are you working on? I guess for for everyone out there. What projects are you actually sort of working on right now? How are they going? And yeah, just sort of give us an overview on what you're working on.

Paul  27:08  
Yeah, look, I came to Latin America after a short trip for a month, which was lovely, because I knew I wouldn't probably see my family for some time. I mean, I knew there was a collapse coming back, you know, how soon or how late that would be. I probably was blase a little bit like a lot of people. I just, you know, initially 20 years ago, I'm like, any minute. The whole Well, economy's gonna collapse. You know, when I first was waking up and realizing how the banking system was a house of cards, that would be blown over but, but in the end, you know, I've started to get blase, I guess I answer, it's not coming yet. Who knows? It could be another 10 years away, you know, so I spent a month in Prague and a little bit of time in Bratislava. With family with my brother and his three three children and his partner and, and my mum and dad who were not getting you know, not getting any younger though, but 78 at the time, and now they're heading up to 82 God love them and and, and they're thankfully they're still still in reasonable health considering their age. Dad's got one eye but he's been driving with one I still drives that one and he's been driving. Yeah. Yeah, we've won for for a number of years now, which I think that that's already amazing to do that at that age. But then when I drive it seems a little concerned about that. But guys, he's happy and he's still still driving. But But yeah, then I came to Latin America. I didn't know where I wanted to base myself that but I had a feeling of the Mexican I knew there was a large community here. You know, Freedom sells communities and although the in Acapulco community forming in Acapulco are inspiring to me, and you know, by all accounts, a lot of people are moving to Acapulco. In the end, Acapulco just again a big city, it's got a bit of crime and security issues. But overall, my friends haven't had who've lived there now for you know, two to three to four years, having had some of them stay there ever since they went to the first Acapulco in Acapulco, which was about five years ago now. But, you know, I felt that Mexico was going to be this, but I thought I really travel around first and before I decided where I was going to base my next main project, and I thought I had time was it time was in my favor. And I had the you know, the luxury of of saying, Look, if I'm gonna live somewhere, I want to choose the place that feels right to me, never know what was going to take four years but I spent one year in Guatemala, Belize, Panama, and Peru. And then after that, headed up to to Acapulco, in 2018. And, and that was my first in Acapulco. And, and that was that was a huge, huge eye opener and a great connection but I didn't feel like the community in Acapulco was going to be for me and I always felt like I wanted to be close to the land so so it ended up being a in a three year journey Exodus all around Mexico, looking for were felt ideal to base myself and start a project and I made some incredible new friendships and connections and people I'm working on projects with, to different extents, in each in different villages. But I realized I'm a coastal girl living on the coast, I used to surf a little bit as well. And I just I just thrive beside the ocean or at least close to the ocean and Mexico city doesn't help with that. It's about six hours to Acapulco, and and also maybe five hours and and also I lived in some spillage in the Highland mountains, which is wonderful, but then I was missing the coast so so now we're you know, our main project is eco village share, which people can find on telegram and eco village, and then share sh Ara one word. So all of those one word eco village share just connected on Telegram, a website is about to go up ecovillage It may be up by the time this recording goes up. That's going to summarize our main project there but the way helping people to come to Mexico as well. That's like the migration services. But we can help people settle because I've traveled all over Mexico over the last three years, we can help people decide what's right for them. I've chosen to build our project that just as of a week ago, me and my girlfriend Frieda and another friend of ours, who's an indigenous woman from Wahaca, she Freda has always loved Wahaca areas. So and I've always had great experiences in Morocco. And it is a stunning place. It actually had, they speak over 150 languages and dialects in Wahaca. And it's the cultural and music traditional music hub of, of Mexico. So you can imagine with 150 languages and dialects that is a rich culture just for one state called the state of Oaxaca. And a lot of coast is not very developed. Although some hubs have become really popular. We just pass through Puerto Escondido when I haven't been there for 26 years. So to see it again, just super built up and looks like a mini city over the internet on your phone is super slow. I was actually amazed like, it looks so modernized and full of details. I mean, I imagined the Wi Fi must be okay in your home. But on your phone, it's ridiculously slow internet. And it was like that along the whole coast there. But yeah, we've settled on a region in the in the hinterland in the mountains, behind what tolko which is not far from Puerto Escondido, where to go and, and that's where we're looking to build this eco village and support people who may want to move to that area, or even live in one of our Eco villages, or as I mentioned, hybrid eco village. So there's something pretty much rarely not a narcissist or parent, parasitic to a person like these parasitic politicians, so called elites, I prefer to compare it parasitic, the parasitic class who suck off the wealth creation of others, and often no value to society other than being a detriment to society. And yeah, so that's, you know, ecovillage share would be one of the main projects plus migration services but anyone can contact me through telegram and visit the website at Eco If they're interested in in connecting with me there'll be contacts for me and our team there.

George Papp  34:34  
Sounds great. There's there's definitely a lot more people contacting me for if I know people who who are in Mexico or in Latin America to chose to move from you know, say Canada, US, even some in Europe actually interested even though it is a bit further but like, there is a lot of interest in that part of the world at the moment. I think it seems like it's a lot easier to navigate because They're state doesn't sort of overreach as much, let's say as others in the sort of EU area. Yes. And stuff like that. So, yeah, it sounds great. So you're doing good work you're doing, I guess, God's work as well. I think that's it's an important part. So I guess, what other ways can people get involved in the project? Apart from sort of, I guess, you know, let's say. So if they wanted to help out in the projects, not only, let's say potentially move into the project, but actually even help the project grow? Is there a ways for people who can get involved?

Paul  35:34  
Yeah, as I mentioned to you off the top of the call. Recording that we really, were focused on building the correct team as as a foundation for a successful community experience. Also, a major focus of mine is ops and branding and organic foods. That was, again, what generated our income in our communities and our projects in Australia for all of our education campaigns that we were doing in Australia. So, so big thing is, is organic food products, cooperatives, anyone who wants to be part of our cooperative or support, building new industries in the organic, we're helping them to grow the organic industry, let's call it in here in Mexico, then, then there's many ways that people can get involved with, with that being involved with ethical food products help people heal, using food as medicine, and using herbs as medicine and herbal extracts, skincare range, as well as food products and supplements. So we're doing all of that and that's all early stages. But but that's what we've done in Australia. That's my forte, really, that's my one of my great passions. As well as that doing youth programs and Boys to Men programs, assisting young women in their in their journey and navigating, you know, the issues that women have in this world and becoming more more capable of of wading through through the difficulties that young women can experience growing up. So we really want to help young boys and young women in in becoming resilient and enjoying their lives having happy, happy lives. There's projects around properties, there's projects around getting by with our youth programs, and there'll be summer camps and winter camps for sure, as well. And the layer we're looking at is big enough for us to have our own camping, camping grounds, you know, far away from the main main villages and the main, let's say, urbanized areas. But, but yeah, we people can also if they want to move to an eco village, or just learn more about what we're doing, and see if it's right for them, or select another area of Mexico, and they may have questions about where they should choose to live in Mexico, as I said, three years plus, I look at it like a time machine, if people come and get involved with us, then they're saving them at least three years. And with the network that our whole team has between us, you know, they're literally Yeah, it's taken people decades or a lifetime to build up these networks. So I would say that, you know, overall, at least from for the experience and the work I've done, but laying the groundwork for three years, people who get involved in any of our volunteering with us or wanting to get involved in, you know, in purchasing a share in Eco village share, then then yes, feel free to get in touch with us and and you know, any of these abovementioned projects, there's no way to get involved either as purchasing a share. I don't speak about too many specifics, but just to give you some some sort of broad stroke idea, there could be a share of 10,000 US dollars, which is not a lot to them, actually, you have complete security over your parcel of land here in Mexico and and then have support build your your eco eco house or using bio construction techniques, and have the whole community helping and chipping in and getting involved with with a building project on your property. You know, again, I don't want to say this is a firm law, org or term but you know, maybe 10 days or maybe a one

a one acre site or up to a half hectare site. So you have a lot of space we don't want to have houses cramped together. Hopefully we won't need fences between our houses at all because we just have distance for privacy. And in lots of beautiful trees and maybe bamboo fronds and useful bamboo for construction. We can grow that in a safe manner. So it doesn't take over the whole property. We've got we've got a lot of riverfront a beautiful river that runs all year quite a strong River at that wild river. So you know if they want to come and visit the site or have an experience just getting to know us they can get in touch and come and visit this site that we're we're coming close to purchasing. They can get involved if they like what they hear they could they might want to be involved financially 10,000 was just an estimate or or a just to give you some kind of some ballpark figure as well as the size but people can also come and volunteer and even volunteering if people don't have can volunteer and and With an agreement to a certain amount of hours and a certain amount of months, then they may be able to end up having securing their their permanent place in our communities in one of our, you know, hybrid eco village communities. So, you know, volunteering, work exchange can help secure a site or a placement in our, in our country, or just getting involved coming for a short stay for a weekend or getting involved in one of our youth programs helping food preparation. It really is across the board helping us with marketing online, you can people can stay in any country in the world, and still be involved and support us with with online marketing, are we programming or assisting our team with with the financial aspects that with the work you do, that's something we're discussing ways that we may be able to have a mutually beneficial and rewarding experience for our, our, our people, through your your offering of your services? You know, all of that is on the table?

George Papp  41:01  
Right? Yeah. It's interesting, because you mentioned 10, let's not take that as a figure. But let's say 10,000. Anyway. And it's interesting, because most people in the world now use 10,000, to put a deposit on a home, which they will then pay for 60 years until basically they die. They're basically and you know, they're stuck in some sort of death contract, which are mortgages. Instead, you can basically use 10,000 to basically be free in a sense, and live off the land and eat healthily. Meet people with like minds, work with, you know, it's just an easy option, in my opinion. But many people still go down. Yeah, I'd rather live in a tent on the beach, then obviously, do that for six years. Right. So, yeah, I think the last thing we can move to is key takeaways, especially for our listeners who are new to this, just anything that you feel will be valuable for our listeners who are new to this sort of living, they may be early stages of trying to sort of be free of the system. Yeah, just anything, any advice and key strategies that maybe they can implement?

Paul  42:19  
Yeah. Another wonderful point to make and a great way to close it really is where the rubber meets the road, right? It's really where things it's our emotional state and, and our ability to see a brighter path ahead with everything we're seeing going on, especially in the news. I mean, I hate cars even here in Mexico driving past and you hear the propaganda coming on between the songs and and there's no wonder people are so fearful today and so concerned and I have my moments I'm not I'm far from able to be immune to all of this, although I won't take a vaccination vaccination for for the propaganda, right, but But yeah, we need to keep that something that we need to be working on together right in our own mindset and having the right kind of people around us so you know, people are working closely with you or, or your networks and being this positive kind of reinforcement of what's possible. And focusing on that and realizing that we don't need to change the entire world this is what was my great realization, if we can just change our world, our personal world and you're living inside of a huge city you know, flat or condominium apartment, you know, working online, you know, in some ways you may be working with some great projects that's that's creating the change that we need to see in the world you know, and building the news to make the old building the new systems that make all these old systems and Dysfunctional Systems that no longer service making those systems obsolete. Someone can do that from being in the in the heart of the beast, let's say in the belly of the beast and and still have a really meaningful quality of life but you know, it's hard when you can go outside and see most of the people still wearing masks or or or just people just living in the system without any thought that what they're a part of is not serving them than their families that their children and just continually reinforce that system and let's say encouraging that system to continue to exist. So you know if I can give people any kind of simple advice just from my own personal experience it's been the more that I've connected with the land put my hands into the dirt even literally which I thought was a waste of someone's you know, and now I see the value of it when you do that with with a good bunch of people with friends and enjoying the entire experience sharing a meal together you know and some people playing some some acoustic guitar music and singing while you're planting in the garden and while you're learning from other incredible no dig gardening techniques and ways to grow food that's easier working smarter, rather working harder. In all aspects whether that be inhaling, building or gardening of Food, forests design so we have an abundance of food, you know, you do realize that we actually live in a very abundant world, we do not need to be struggling and and the more that you have these sort of people who are implementing the solutions around us, it just helps us to reinforce that. And, you know, even if they will have to live in a city for some reason, get out into the end of the country, that's great, but get out of the country. Find some local organization that's running, you know, food, food, not lawns, you know, there's food, not lawns movement, there's the perma blitz movement, there's, there's probably a lot of community I know there's a ton more than I may be incorrect with that. So Morden is a town in England, where they basically turned all their gardens into food for us, then the lady who organized that went down to the police station, and told the police look, we're ripping up all of your your ornamentals, and planting food all through guards around the police station, they're like, alright, you know, because they'd already they're already thrown their way around this community and said, This is the way it's going to leave now. So the police accepted that and there's photos of the police station with corn growing all around it to talk on and that people people can get involved even in their communities, in finding way creative ways to to learn about community gardening, learn about bio construction, go into a permaculture, Introduction to permaculture course, or just go and join any kind of like Earthship building, or construction. Building, if that's more your interest carpentry or building if it's not so much gardening, but I recommend a little bit of everything. Even if it's building a pizza oven, you know, out of Adobe or or straw bale, which is called a Cobb Cobb pizza oven. Then then, you know, that that's that to me is really huge. It that's the new revolution really getting involved in your community. Sustainable and as self sufficiency is really the the new right way to be radical. It's not about becoming a revolutionary raising arms. What, what these organizations are these parasitic classes. Fear is us becoming independent, you know, self guided individuals. Yeah,

George Papp  47:15  
if you if you can grow your own food, if you can build your own home, if you can have your own water. At that point, you don't need to do a degree to well, we used to get you jobs. But now obviously, it doesn't matter it obviously is still indoctrinations. But that was always like what we had to do let's go to school, get a go to get a degree, get a job. But if you actually know how to grow your own food, water and build your shelter, why would you need to go and work a job you hate for the rest of your life to pay off that mortgage on that house that you probably end up resenting because it's it's caused you a lot of pain. Instead, learn the skills and and you can actually find a way to live in this way. And it's easier than you think. I actually agree with you. I was fully in London at one point, up until not long ago. And now I'm in a Greek island in a village. And you know, now I've met people who have started an eco village, I've met someone who's living off the land already building cob houses. So these are the types of things that we could do. I never knew anything about that previously, they're not only just sort of got into it in the last month or two. And that's, you know, starting to grow my own food already just planted some something, just get it out there. Even if it doesn't work at first, like just start doing, you know, planting some seeds. Learn the course in permaculture or in, you know, building calm housing, like you were mentioning. Yeah, just getting it involves straightaway and, you know, just don't be scared of it and just just basically move into that. It's that simple. You can watch Netflix and learn nothing. All you could do, basically is what is what the options. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks again, Paul. Thanks again, I think that should wrap up the time. Thanks for joining.

Paul  49:18  
Just say, just look up, look up on YouTube. So Ted Ted Talks to more than edible landscapes. So Ted Ted to Morton, edible landscapes and Ted, Ron Finley guerilla gardener. If you put in TED guerilla gardener those two videos out there probably got a few videos but they're super inspiring videos that you know I found take it they're old but but gold all but God, definitely, if I want to get inspired about you know, alternative ways of living, the

George Papp  49:49  
nice one, I'll include that in the show notes. So yeah, thanks for joining me today, Paul. I mean, I'm looking forward to having you on again in the future. Obviously when your projects have maybe advanced to another stage. definitely interested in having you back. I mean, I guess make sure you subscribe to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify. Plus, if you're interested in having one to one consulting to prepare your wealth for the great reset, check out the episode show notes for a link to crypto animus Also, we'll put all the links to the ecovillage share and Mexico migration and other other people's material in the show notes. So definitely check that out. So nice one peace and love to you all. Thanks, Paul. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot, George. Great work. Cheers. Thank you.